[Remops] Call to remops to protest attempt to silence a remailer

[Bird Admin]

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> Bird Admin wrote:
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>  > Eelbash Admin wrote:
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>  >> I hope the operators are smart enough to realize that if the scumbag 
> that
>  >> lodged a phony complaint against me can get my remailer shut down, then
>  >> what is to stop him lodging a phony complaint against any of them and
>  >> getting their remailers shut down?
>  >>
>  >> I don't expect them to protest against the scumbag because they like the
>  >> way my remailer is run; that should be irrelevant. They should protest
>  >> against it because they could be next.
>  >>
>  >> I'll send this to the remops list to remind those boys where their real
>  >> interests lie.
>  >>
>  >> And I have to add that I am disappointed at their silence so far.
> 
>  > What exactly is 'protesting' about this complaint going to do? Am I
>  > going to get out of a speeding ticket if I get enough people to protest
>  > even though I was doing 80 in a 35? I think not.
> It should be obvious what it will do: it will show the scumbags who make 
> these gratuitous complaints that the remops disapprove of them and that 
> realization *might* give them an attitude change.
> 
> My remailer is run more responsibly than most, but I can still be put at 
> risk by some scumbag making a phony complaint. If I can, that means you 
> certainly can.
> 

Yes, I know first hand about being shut down because of complaints
against my remailer. Take 5 seconds and do a little research on Bird. I
first ran it back in the late 90's. I believe it was before you started
eelbash. I was shut down because of multiple complaints to my ISP
because of a certain 'Bible Spammer'. At the time I was running an exit
remailer.

I was also one of your only supporters when this crap about you started.
At the time many remailers were trying to figure out how to filter out
the junk that had brought many remailers down.

These complaints are a fact of life for a remailer. I learned to live
with it and so has most everyone else. Even if we 'showed our
disapproval, it would not change the fact that many people seem to hate
you. Some people don't care anyway, they just try to shut remailers down
because they have nothing better to do. Others do it because of abuse
they receive through the remailers. It's a fact of life.

> 
>  > So we disapprove, so what. That is not going to change anything. Move on
>  > and find another way to keep it running.
> 
> Move on yourself by thinking about it for 5 seconds instead of coming 
> out with kneejerk rubbish.

This little comment here has made the bad blood between some people and
yourself a little easier to understand. I was trying to be reasonable
with you and explain why I am silent on the matter. I do have some
experience with this as I said earlier. It is you that should think
about it for 5 seconds and realize that nothing we may do will change
the fact that you received that complaint and nothing we will do can
change the fact that your ISP may terminate your account. Nothing will
stop people from trying to shut down remailers. The only thing we can do
is run the remailer in a way that we can deal with any complaints that
come our way.

I will not block you because I believe this should be a personal choice
of a remailer user, not myself. Even if you are doing some of the things
you are accused of, it matters not if people use the network correctly.
And who is to say that any of us are trustworthy.

I will, however, not converse with you again.

As a side note:

I was a little apprehensive about starting a remailer at all seeing how
the newsgroup has degenerated into little more than a mud slinging
quagmire. Now with what was posted about Zax, I am considering shutting
down Bird until this clears up. I don't have the time or desire to deal
with this mud slinging crap.

The 'Remailer Anti Abuse Association' (Whatever:/) are perpetuating the
very thing they claim to be trying to stop. The newsgroup seems to be
full of nothing but trouble makers. This is usually the case because the
honest users are usually silent.

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Invisible Blackbird Admin


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